"Googlebar: Feedback"

Notes from October 27th 2002 - March 22nd 2003

[1] Submitted by: Daniel Middleman Sunday October 27th 2002
Hi, I really liked the Googlebar. I was using it with Netscape 7 and it worked flawlessly until I reformatted my drive. I reinstalled it and it was working, but then I don't know what happened. It does'nt show up as a toolbar anymore. I've tried uninstalling Netscape and reintalling a couple of times, but nothing seems to work. Sure would like to get it working again. I really like the features. I guess for now I'll just have to settle for having a Google link on my Prefbar. Thanks,

Dan.

[2] Submitted by: John Woods Monday October 28th 2002
On a Win 98, using Mozilla 1.1 installed in

"C:Program Filesmozilla.orgMozilla" and user "profiles" are enabled.


I had the same... (menuitem id="view_gg_menuitem") bug after I installed 0.4.6.


{a few hours later...}


Then I unloaded the system tray icon, using the exit option. Lastly, I used the icon on the desktop to start mozilla. I had been using the tray icon before.

Then the new toolbar was up!


So I checked the shortcut and startup folder was set to the mozilla program folder properly. It was worth the fuss.


John

[3] Submitted by: SunLord Wednesday October 30th 2002
0.4.6 RC doesn't work in Phoenix but 0.4.5 worked -.-

0.4.6 gives menuitem id="view_gg_menuitem"

[4] Submitted by: morph Thursday October 31st 2002
I have modified my copy of 0.4.6 to get it working in Phoenix 0.4. I simply changed all text strings to hard-coded (English) literals rather than the locale-aware translated version.

if anyone wants a copy, email me:

awmorp@almastud.com.au

0.4.6 is a great improvement over the previous version!

well done!!

[5] Submitted by: esculap Friday November 8th 2002
hey, your Gbar does't work with 1.2b
just thought i may wanna know
u got here a screenshot: http://community.e-design.ro/_members.pages/esculap/_2show/gbar.v0.4.6_moz1.2b.gif
[6] Submitted by: Qaelith Saturday November 9th 2002
Any workaround for making 0.4.6 work in Phoenix 0.4 / Mozilla 1.2b? These browser releases are too important to go back to an older version just to make Googlebar work.
[7] Submitted by: AndyB Sunday November 10th 2002
Some people have complained that Googlebar doesn't work in Phoenix or Mozilla 1.2b: technically, it does, and in fact I'm using it right now with no problems. It should also work in Phoenix 0.4, but the screenshot suggests you're running into a commonly reported install problem: the locale files aren't being registered with mozilla, resulting in the red error message (which is why Morph's fix bypassing locales worked. Or, you could just register the locales, which also works. We want to keep locales to allow people to translate into other languages, an important feature for our foreign users). Details are available on the help and FAQs page at http://googlebar.mozdev.org/about.html#red-error . If you have any idea why some people have this install problem and not others (even with the same build on the same platform!), please post a message to the bug referenced in the FAQs. Thanks.
[8] Submitted by: Steven Nagy Monday November 11th 2002
Just want to say a big thank you to all those involved in the development of Googlebar. The Google toolbar was the one IE add-on which I really missed in Netscape 7.

0.4.6 gave me the menuitem id="view_gg_menuitem" error. (I'm using Windows XP Pro). I installed 0.4.5 on top of it and that worked. Then today, I reinstalled 0.4.6 (without uninstalling 0.4.5) and now it works too!

Thanks again for all your work.

[9] Submitted by: Steven Nagy Monday November 11th 2002
Just want to say a big thank you to all those involved in the development of Googlebar. The Google toolbar was the one IE add-on which I really missed in Netscape 7.

0.4.6 gave me the menuitem id="view_gg_menuitem" error. (I'm using Windows XP Pro). I installed 0.4.5 on top of it and that worked. Then today, I reinstalled 0.4.6 (without uninstalling 0.4.5) and now it works too!

Thanks again for all your work.

[10] Submitted by: Brian MacFarland Friday November 15th 2002
Love the new highlight button, just wish I could somehow default it to always click when I do a search. Also, and this is outside of the Googlebar realm I think, I wish I could move the highlight to the location bar as I generally use that for my google searches and don't require a lot of the specialty features that use up a whole bar of screen real estate -- just highlight.
[11] Submitted by: AndyB Saturday November 16th 2002
Brian, if Phoenix takes off, it might be vaguely possible to do a rewrite that would allow just this, but I haven't tried anything like that yet. See also http://www.xulplanet.com/ndeakin/arts/phoenix.html for more about separating out the buttons to allow heavy customization. No plans to do that currently, but as I said- if the feature makes it into Mozilla too, it is possible we might do this.
[12] Submitted by: AndyB Tuesday November 26th 2002
Yeah, it makes sense to look to future Moz versions or even Phoenix for it. I was even thinking that the highlight function could be an enhanced version of look-ahead find (I thinkt that's what it's called), but instead of just highlighting the first occurance of the word, it would highlight all occurances, but mark the one you are on in a dotted box (kind of like when I use tab to navigate through a page).
[13] Submitted by: morph Tuesday December 3rd 2002
Are there any plans to make the drop-down search history work for the next version??
If not, could the drop-down menu be disabled until it works?? Use a normal text box instead perhaps?

save a bit of space, and accidentally dropping down the box is occasionally annoying...

[14] Submitted by: Moro Thursday December 5th 2002
WinXP Pro
Phoenix 0.4
Tried both googlebar 0.4.5RC and 0.4.6RC3.

The googlebar will not show up. If I install 0.4.6 I get the XUL(?) error that everyone talks about, but the line that is supposed to be missing "locale,install,url,resource:/chrome/googlebar/locale/en-US/googlebar" is there. I've tried it with an end "/" and without. Don't know about the square char (I'm assuming its a control code that won't display).

I uninstalled the googlebar, and had more than 4 references in the chrome.rdf file. I swear that I've gotten this thing working before, but I think that was using Pheonix 0.3 perhaps.

Is there a problem with 0.4 and XP in regards to the googlebar? I'd love to get it back...

One more note, there's mention of a "Hide/Unhide googlebar" under view. I haven't seen that. Also, there is supposed to be a drop down under advanced in the Tools->Prefs menu, and there hasn't been.

Help!

Moro

[15] Submitted by: ambs Saturday December 7th 2002
Is ther a problem with netscape 7.01 and the tool bar?
[16] Submitted by: Baldwin Saturday December 7th 2002
I don't know if this is a phoenix 0.5 issue, or a googlebar RC3 issue, but the two don't work together :(
(It gives a "gg_menuitem" error)

I'm about to try an older version

[17] Submitted by: AntZ Sunday December 8th 2002
Really liked Gbar on my old 1.1 install. After it just killed my 1.2.1 (menuitem id="view_gg_menuitem" + no more toolbar after uninstalling it according to directions given on FAQ page), it'll take a while before I retry it. Keep the good work going folks, and post a fat warning with 0.4.6 RC3
[18] Submitted by: AntZ Sunday December 8th 2002
Really liked Gbar on my old 1.1 install. After it just killed my 1.2.1 (menuitem id="view_gg_menuitem" + no more toolbar after uninstalling it according to directions given on FAQ page), it'll take a while before I retry it. Keep the good work going folks, and post a fat warning with 0.4.6 RC3
[19] Submitted by: dirk Thursday December 12th 2002
and the page rank calculator?

dl
http://www.latznewmedia.de

[20] Submitted by: mm Friday January 3rd 2003
good job! mm http://www.desig-n.de
[21] Submitted by: CorSter Saturday January 4th 2003
I had that red error problem too.
I installed 0.4.5 and then 0.4.6 RC2 and then 0.4.6 RC3. It was the only way it worked.
[22] Submitted by: jclark Monday January 6th 2003
Hi!
I like the googlebar very much, but it takes much place on the Mozilla-desktop (especially under 800*600), so why don`t make a version that is located below the url field beside the Bookmarks section like in Opera? I know that this is not the way of the googlebar project. It`s only a little idea. (Please excuse my bad english)

jclark

[23] Submitted by: Dmitri Thursday January 9th 2003
Why the icons are so different from IE's version of googlebar? Is it some kind of copyright issue? I had to snatch the original icons and put them into mozilla's dir..
[24] Submitted by: mhhack Thursday January 9th 2003
I love Phoenix but the googlebar as executed is too
short - it's hard to type in.

mhhack

[25] Submitted by: AndyB Sunday January 12th 2003
Back from vacation, which means I get to deal with the backlog of responses... writer's cramp, here I come. Morph, the drop-down search history is now one of our Most-Wanted issues to work on (see http://googlebar.mozdev.org/helpwanted.html ); another has to do with Moro's point that certain menu items and prefs panels aren't showing up in Phoenix.
Dmitri, our original icons were in fact taken from IE's googlebar; where there are differences it's because, believe it or not, we implemented some features before they did and had to make our own icons (some of which are ugly and some of which we like better- the ugly ones will be replaced, though).
Lastly- Mhhack, if the textbox is too short, try clicking on that funny vertical rectangle next to the textbox; it allows you to resize the textbox for as much room as is available.
[26] Submitted by: bryan lepore Monday January 20th 2003
i have various user profiles, and only one has googlebar - the one i DID NOT do the install with. how can i control this?
[27] Submitted by: bryan lepore Monday January 20th 2003
i have various user profiles, and only one has googlebar - the one i DID NOT do the install with. how can i control this?
[28] Submitted by: mtopping Friday January 24th 2003
Thanks for a great enhancement to Moz. Google Toolbar was the last tie holding me to IE for my main browser. Much apprediated.

One little bug/feature: when I drag a word or phrase to the Google toolbar it replaces the text currently there, On Googlebar it gets added. By design? or am I missing a setting?

[29] Submitted by: nova Friday January 24th 2003
I've tried this and it works both with mozilla 1.2 and with Phoenix 0.5:

0. Close your browser. :)

1. Create a locales/en-US directory in your chrome directory, and put there the content of the chrome/googlebar/locale/en-us/googlebar directory.

ie.
From: chrome/googlebar/locale/en-us/googlebar/*
to: chrome/locales/en-US/
(note: check the case!)

2. Go to your profiles directory and DELETE the file XUL.mfl.
ie.
MozillaProfilesdefault6orygm9u.sltXUL.mfl

Do not care about it: it will be recreated the next start.

3. Restart your browser. Voilą! Everythig works fine now!! Wow! :)

Enjoy googlebar!

Nova

[30] Submitted by: Pablo Stern Thursday January 30th 2003
A great utility, and good to have the red html locale bug fixed.

I would vote for the bar going back to it's original height though, pre-0.45 I think. Recent releases (on Windows at least) make it 50% bigger than it needs to be.
[31] Submitted by: Pablo Stern Friday January 31st 2003
Apologies for not doing my research properly - the toolbar height problem is caused by bug 2899 - http://mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=2899
[32] Submitted by: Elias Saturday February 1st 2003
Great Plugin.
[33] Submitted by: Chris Saturday February 1st 2003
Search functionality does not do *anything* with latest nightly builds of Phoenix.

Selecting any of the search buttons yields no reponse.

On a good note tho, the text window that had the height problem is now fixed when using the Pinball theme on PX 2-1-03 build!!

[34] Submitted by: Rasselas Saturday February 1st 2003
Hey guys, I love this plugin, so thanks to everyone coding it. However, I bet the following suggestion is sooo simple (I hope). Make the toolbar shorter (smaller, that is less big vertically)... the only other aesthetic suggestion is to put it up on the line above it... that would be a bit tougher I suppose, but worth it to so many. It could just automatically place itself to the right of the home and bookmark buttons AND all "Personal Toolbar" bookmarks showing. Much obliged again y'all!


[35] Submitted by: Jesse Smith Wednesday February 5th 2003
How do you install this on a Apple iMac? Netscape 7.
[36] Submitted by: steve Saturday February 8th 2003
is it possible to clear the history of entries in the googlebar? you can clear internet explorer's history in internet options, but how do you do it with the goolebar?
[37] Submitted by: Yishai Sunday February 9th 2003
The Google Toolbar was my last excuse for staying with IE. This is an important project.
I have a few comments, and hope for better functionality. Apologies if some of the issues were already discussed.
Here they are:

1. Inconsistency: The textbox used in the Toolbar is very limited. It is much uglier than the address bar textbox, and does not support a standard context menu. The feature of being able to copy and paste using the mouse only - without having to touch the keyboard - is important. And textboxes should look and behave the same.

2. The only way to get a word at the right of the toolbar is to manually type it in. pasting it into the textbox does not do anything.

3. Trying to use the page search function the same way as I do it with the Google toolbar in IE does not seem to work. It will tell me when a word can not be found (sometimes it can not find a word in a hyperlink), but I expected the word to be selected, and the window to scroll so that it is visible.

4. The amount of icons is confusing. I would be using less than half. A text explanation near the important icons is also important. People who learned reading and writing using an alphabet find it difficult to have to learn to read Pictograms. I counted on the Google toolbar SEVEN icons WITH an english title near each. I count ELEVEN icons here with no explanation. Some of them (like the TV with the antenna on top) bearing no relationship to their function, and some just funny (like the amoeba and her daughter).

Again, thank you for the good work. Mozilla is already better than IE in some respects. The tide may turn soon.

[38] Submitted by: Chris Tuesday February 11th 2003
Ooooops... doesn't seem to work in Mozilla 1.3 Beta on Windows 2000 (OS version is probably irrelevant). The experimental build did previously work in 1.2.1, though.


[39] Submitted by: Chris Wednesday February 12th 2003
Forget my remark... Just deleted my old Mozilla profile and reinstalled Googlebar experimental release, and it works fine.
[40] Submitted by: AndyB Wednesday February 12th 2003
Yishai: As far as I know, the issue with pasting text into the googlebar textbox not creating the buttons is new, but not too much of a surprise once I think about it: currently the code to create the buttons is written to activate only when you type. A workaround for now is to push the space bar once you paste; this typing activates the code. The fact that there's no context menu for the textbox also relates to the fact that the one from the rest of the toolbar seems to override it; on the other hand, this same context menu DOES provide you the option to show the text of as many buttons as will fit on your screen, and pick which buttons show up (I have absolutely no idea which icon "the amoeba and her daughter" refers to, but this should help you). Otherwise, the other thing I can help you with is the non-working search feature- it doesn't play quite right with tabs right now, so you have to actually manually select something inside the tab/window you want to search in, then click the find button. That sets the focus on the current tab/part of the screen and tells it where to search; this bug needs to be fixed.
Hopefully this helps you and anyone else who had these problems, and please, do tell what the "amoeba and her daughter" actually represents! We've fixed our locale problems, so look for more translation info soon.
[41] Submitted by: Jack Eidsness Friday February 14th 2003
Yishai has important concerns and I would like to agree with them. in addition, here are some problems I've had with several versions of mozilla (a 9.x on winnt, 1.2 on redhat linux)

The googlebar is taller with no button labels than it is with them.
showing button labels makes the highlight, and up directory buttons disappear

the "googlebar" picture button (the first one) is excessively wide.

I have some other issues with mozilla's toolbars in general which are not unique to googlebar, but the googlebar rubs salt in the wounds - you can't move them left to right, there is excessive empty space in the toolbars (easily 40% of my 4 toolbars is empty space), as additional toolbars always extend the area vertically).

[42] Submitted by: Jack Eidsness Friday February 14th 2003
for that button I'd recommend sharpening the text, and swapping colors on the o's with some other letters so the red and black dinosaur can be moved to the right and shortened without blurring in with red and black letters.

also I am suspecting hte reason that googlebar is so bizarrely tall is because of the size of the up directory button - it has a different 3 effect on mouseover than the rest of them, that takes up the entire space from top to bottom (and an unusual amount of space to the right, as well)

[43] Submitted by: Whitney Friday February 14th 2003
Please make the toolbar smaller, it takes up too much vertical real estate. I miss image search also.
[44] Submitted by: Milly Sunday February 16th 2003
As an IE refugee, I love the Googlebar, thanks to all concerned (if I could code, I'd help: I can't, so I leech gratefully).

Wishlist (some repeats):

1.Toggle it on|off with a button and/or hotkey.
2.Shorter bar, narrower buttons.
3.Fix the focus issue with tabs.
4.Default to replacing not adding items to the text box.
5.Make it share other Mozilla/Phoenix bar(s), if that's possible.
6.Make search terms longer than the bar space available wrap onto a flyout menu (like IE), if that's possible.
7.More buttons to match the menu (for Images, News) and add Labs, Froogle.
8.Have a button available for every item, not only available within the Special, Computer, Info dropdowns.
9.Copy Google's 'fix broken URLs' trick.
10.(Off the wall:) Fake a cookie, so all searches obey user-set preferences (number of results, language, filter etc), yet without needing to eat Google's everlasting, GUID'd, cookie.

[45] Submitted by: Milly Sunday February 16th 2003
I'm a complete newbie on Mozilla|XUL hacking, but here are a couple of tweaks which have worked for me. Back up stuff first.

1.By replacing the button (in your equivalent of) ...
~phoenixchromegooglebarcontentskinlogo-GOOGLE-2.png
... with something smaller, it becomes just a standard-width button instead of the word-length button.
You can use another button, renamed from the same folder, e.g. ...
~skinSEARCH-norm.png
Or, I use the Google favicon ...
http://www.google.com/favicon.ico
... renamed as logo-GOOGLE-2.png. Once you click the button, the menu flows out to the normal width, so functionality is unimpaired.

2.I find the text search box defaults to too narrow. You can drag it wider of course, but that's a pain for every restart. By editing (your copy of) this file in Notepad ...
~phoenixchromegooglebarcontentgooglebarOverlay.xul
... you can change that. At about line 225 you get this section ...


<hbox id="search-textbox" flex="1" persist="collapsed"
collapsed="false">
<menulist class="googlebarSearchText"
id="googlebarCriteria"
editable="true"
onkeypress="googlebarClearTerms(); googlebarAddTerm
(this.value); if( event.keyCode == 13 ) { googlebarSearch
(event); }"
onFocus="this.select()"
flex="1"
context="DUMMY"
minwidth="100"
width="160">
<menupopup>
</menupopup>
</menulist>
</hbox>


If you change these two lines of that to ...


minwidth="0"
width="250">


... it starts out wider. Adjust the 'width' figure to suit. (Setting the minimum width to '0' lets you squash it right down, for those odd occasions when you might appreciate the maximum room for the search terms highlighted to the right).

While you're there, you can also lose the separators between the buttons to gain a few more pixels, if you like. Delete either|both the lines saying ...


<vbox id="separator"/>


... at about lines 291 and 413.

I hope these might help someone :)

[46] Submitted by: Milly Sunday February 16th 2003
Hmm, the web form stole my slashes. This ...
~phoenixchromegooglebarcontentskinlogo-GOOGLE-2.png
... should be ...
~ phoenix chrome googlebar content skin logo-GOOGLE-2.png
... etc. Y'know.
[47] Submitted by: Milly Sunday February 16th 2003
LOL, no dashes at all, eh? Wishlist: posting preview ;)
[48] Submitted by: Milly Sunday February 16th 2003
More wishlist items:
11.Make the 'Highlight search terms' toggle button reflect the current state (i.e. appear depressed when on). Otherwise, and especially with the tab focus bug, it's not clear if it's on/off or just that there are no hits. Make it sticky across browser restarts too.
12.Make any search button (e.g. Google, or Groups, etc) grab (and optionally run the search on) selected text, if any, as it's search term, replacing any text already in the text box (like on the Google Tooolbar). Making the 'Search for selected text' button only for *adding* text to build a search term.
13.Make the text box auto-expand with input text (within limits).
14.Colour code each search word on the bar to match the highlights within the page.
15.Make the words in the text box 'live', like Opera's 'Find in page' search, so that each letter gets highlighted as it's typed (when the 'Highlight search terms' button is toggled on).
16.Allow user defined searches to be added.
17.Add PageRank ... just kidding ;)

Sorry, I wish I be more helpful than just wishing.

[49] Submitted by: jack eidsness Tuesday February 18th 2003
Here is why the googlebar is so tall, and how to make it shorter:

in googlebarOverlay.xul, from version 0.4.6 on line 423:

<toolbarbutton type="menu-button" class="button-all"
id="up-dir-button"

take out the 'type="menu-button" ' to fix the size of the up-directory button. i entered a bugzilla thingie for this. i dont THINK this breaks anything.

[50] Submitted by: Milly Wednesday February 19th 2003
Thanks Jack, though that has absolutely no effect here (Phoenix 0.5 Milestone, Toolbar 0.4.6).

I now see that some of my wishlist items are already there (working?) for Mozilla, but not working for Phoenix. Ah well.

[51] Submitted by: chowbok Wednesday February 26th 2003
Heh, posted before on the wrong board. Anyway, I'm really happy with the Googlebar. Just a couple nits to pick:

1) I'd like to be able to rearrange the buttons a bit. Namely, I want to move the "image search" button off the dropdown and directly on to the bar.
2) The main Googlebar menu has a link to Advanced Google Search... it'd be nice if Advanced Groups and Advanced Image search items were also added (yes, I know these aren't on the real Googlebar, but so what). Again, it would also be nice to be able to move stuff back and forth from dropdowns to the bar itself.
3) The bar's too high. I see somebody posted how to fix it, and I'm about to do it, but it seems like the default should be shorter. It should match the height of the Personal Toolbar, not the Navigation Toolbar (IMHO).

[52] Submitted by: AndyB Wednesday February 26th 2003
Chowbok: For now we've moved a lot of buttons onto separate menus just because the toolbar was getting too wide, but a more configurable option is definitely a possibility- I think we could also keep the context menu that lets you choose which buttons to show under control if we used submenus... worth looking into even if it takes a while to get around to. Of course, we'd also be glad to add some other advanced links to the dropdown menu- again, using context menus, I think.

...As for the height of the toolbar, this is NOT a feature bug; it's a rendering one in the modern theme. I added this comment to the related bug that was filed, and here it is: if you use the googlebar in the "classic" theme in mozilla, you'll see that the Up-directory button is intended to work like diggler ( http://diggler.mozdev.org ), and give you a menu next to the button to go up further levels. It works great but renders as just a huge button in modern (classic and many other themes are ok)- in modern, the 1px raised border all around the up button can be clicked on to give the menu. Rather than chop it out of the experimental release, we'd prefer to find a way to fix the way it renders... if you know the way to fix it, visit bug 2899 and let us know; otherwise it may be a while.

[53] Submitted by: chowbok Saturday March 1st 2003
Cool, thanks for the quick response. None of this stuff is a real big deal, just eventual wishlist items.

One more thing, though. I'm still getting the "xul error" with the latest build on my FreeBSD box. It works fine on my Windows machines. Should I add a note to the bug report, or try to reopen it? I'd be happy to give any debugging info that's required...

[54] Submitted by: John Woods Monday March 3rd 2003
Chowbok: I have fixed the prefs code, though it's not in cvs yet. You'll be able to assign an override key to search images instead. And there is a hotkey to show/hide the googlebar (ctrl or cmd)-f8 in the XPI-rimental.xpi. As for the xul error, there are many clues to help you fix that on the help and faq page.

Some main points.
If you don't have the "world read" permissions on all the googlebar files... dont forget the
http://locales/en/US/googlebar/* excuse the http prefix, but i want the darn slashes! How dare they steal the slash characters.

Try creating a new "test" mozilla profile, (using a name you'd never really ever want to use), and login to mozilla as that user. If that don't work, leave a note on the help and faq page.

Milly: form preview! Now that's a good one.
Lets see if the http prefix aint too ugly.
It stole my slashes way top for #2, and you say you tried dashes and it stole them too? Well a show/hide search terms button is in the "pre" XPI-rimental.xpi
if ya feel brave. You can find it under bug 3223 as zip download, or xpinstall. It's pre experimental, so drag a copy of the chrome folder to somewhere safe before testdriving.

[55] Submitted by: John Woods Monday March 3rd 2003
hmmm, it allowed the forward slash in show/hide. Ok then,
it was supposed to be "locales/en-US/googlebar"
[56] Submitted by: Milly Tuesday March 4th 2003
Hi John: No slashes this time = no problem ;)
OK I'm brave (or foolish), so now on 0.4.6.29, XP + Phoenix 0.5 (main, not nightly). Context menu checkmarks now work. 'Push-back' system works (though it
*really* needs that IE-style drop-down).
I have no idea what your item 3 is about?: "Fixed the context menu in the criteria box to instead use a double click to toggle the selected state...". Nor item 6 : "Added a context menu ... to have it in a Googlebar Items submenu". Should they work/be apparent in Phoenix?
And the new show/hide search terms button doesn't appear in the bar or the context menu. Is that an installation glitch or a Phoenix issue?
Similarly, from the Options dialog, "Add Google related option to context menu" appears to do nothing? And Ctrl+F8 doesn't toggle the bar with Phoenix, in either the XPI-rimental or this version.
Finally (without repeating my wishlist items above), I'm off to re-doctor the Googlebar button to standard size. Is there *any* point in making that word-width?
Anyway, I'm delighted to see you with your nose back to the grindstone - thanks again :)
[57] Submitted by: John Woods Wednesday March 5th 2003
Hi Milly- Brave.
So you like the 'push back', but not enough to abandon the popup, or dropdown menu idea. Thing is, when I want to find something on a page, I usually have to click 5, 10 or more times to find the spot I need to read. Now, on a dropdown menu, that takes a lot of menu work. But you can be sure one is coming.

Yes the context menu for the document area were stuck "on" in that test sample. Attachment 837 should be a single click xpi install. Since you did already, please install this one. The context menu option in the options panel is hooked in, though once you change your option, it doesn't take effect until you open a new tab or window. Everyone else should hold off a while. Andy Ed and AndyB had problems I couldn't reproduce in my 98 & ME machines. But it won't be long. If anyone insists on ignoring this warning, back up your chrome and user preferences at a minimum.

Item 3:
Now, it takes a doubleclick to highlight everything there. And if everything in there is already highlighted, you can doubleclick again on a particular word, to highlight just that word.
While I'm there...
The right click menu now works! (In mozilla 1.3b) The missing cut, copy, paste, popup menu in the search criteria box, you called it text search box in #45,

Item 6:
The context menu for the document area has a googlebar context menu now, that will say "Googlebar", that pops up another menu with the pageinfo options. This, instead of adding 5 or 6 items to the standard context menu, is a better way, no? AndyB's idea to Colin Hill's patch. Thank you Colin. It adds a nice touch, that will surely get more work in the near future. See bug 2471
(Then maybe some of the lesser used buttons can be placed on the context menu and off the toolbar.) Are you saying the document area contextmenu doesn't have a "Googlebar Items" in your phoenix? Your wishlist has some good ideas, though some aren't really easy, they could be considered "the ideal case". Just trying to get it to "no reasonable complaints" first. :) And sadly, the ctrl-f8 nor the ctrl-f12 did not work for me on the mid february phoenix nightly I grabbed one sunday. So I'm kinda waiting to see what happens with both Andy Ed, and AndyB, before going forward.

Thanks for your good ideas!

-John Woods

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[59] Submitted by: Milly Wednesday March 5th 2003
Hi John. 'Push back' is a cool interim workaround, but IE has surely nailed the best method.
I'll try 837 later today and post again, but it turns out I *did* have some installation glitches last time. A cleaner reinstall gave me the "Search Words" toggle button and menu entry (works fine, great idea), and the Item 6: document area context menu (another great addition).

Eventually, ideally, to answer your (lesser used buttons) question, it would be nice if any item could be user-configurable to be either on the bar and/or context menu. And for the context menu to be multiple direct entries or cascaded (like now), by user-configuration. But certainly cascaded is better than multiple direct entries, if/while only one method is possible.

BUT ... though I don't have the Andys' text entry issue, I have another. Pressing any of the search buttons, or clicking any of the document area context menu searches, pops up an error message saying "Alert: Shouldn't have gotten here but, kindly leave us a note on googlebar". So no actual searches work. All the stuff re 'push back', highlighting, adding selected words works fine. Maybe 837 will sort that.

Item 3: yep, double-clicking and re-clicking now works as you say.

I don't get a context menu in the search criteria box, under any circumstances (with/without selection, empty or populated, nada).

I do appreciate the need to get the bugs and most requested features sorted first, and the difficulty in implementing some of the things I glibly wish for. I hope most for the on/off toggle working for Phoenix ...

More when I get a chance to try 837. Should I post there or here? Over there seemed to be more for you code mavens.

[60] Submitted by: Milly Wednesday March 5th 2003
Hi John: 837 fixed the search Alert dialog issue, so button and doc area context menu searches work fine :) Text entry still works fine.

But the settings for doc area context menu are now stuck on. (Sorry, I didn't try turning them off last time). Opening a new tab or restarting Phoenix makes no difference. Fine with me (I want it!), but I understand you want to fix that - so I'll try any changes if you like.

Still no sign of a context menu in the search criteria box, under any circumstances.

[61] Submitted by: Milly Wednesday March 5th 2003
Hmm, spoke too soon. 837 defaults to all buttons showing, all items checked in context menu, no text labels. But changing anything (fewer buttons, text labels instead) only sticks for that session. On browser restart, everything is back to default again.
[62] Submitted by: John Woods Wednesday March 5th 2003
Milly: created bug 3322 for the broken buttons on phoenix. I'll also d/l the phoenix milestone 0.5 this afternoon.


[63] Submitted by: John Woods Wednesday March 5th 2003
Millie:
Hmmm, posting preview should also include refreshing first! ;)
[64] Submitted by: John Woods Wednesday March 5th 2003
Millie: I'm testing with the first test and the third, it seems that the first one is the one that works best. Prefs are saved and restored, except the doc-contextmenu. To fix that after you put the fisrt test back:
Line 86:
// setGoogleContextMenu();
change to
setGoogleContextMenu();

And I don't get the 'leave a note on googlebar' msg, but just did a image search (after setting it up in the panel) with shift-enter. You may have to delete the 'xul.mfl' file after installing again, then shutting phoenix down and restarting.

[65] Submitted by: Milly Thursday March 6th 2003
John: yeah, don't web forums suck? I'm checking/refreshing three Googlebar pages (you must be juggling dozens). What's wrong with newsgroups anyway? No reloading the same stuff time after time, unread stuff floats to the top, multiple threads are are doddle, posts are previewed and spellchecked. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned ;) Rant over.

Mucho experimentation later, it's clear that Phoenix (presumably Mozilla too) handles over-installing components terribly. Nothing short of a scorched earth install guarantees no residual funkiness. So, clean install of Milestone 0.5 (tried the latest Nightly, but it crashed on start, every time), then your first test (id=824, I presume you meant), and most everything works fine. Text entry, buttons, sticky prefs, push-back, all okay. In the search criteria box, the first double-click selects one word, second double-click selects everything.

But ... the setGoogleContextMenu(); change in googlebarOverlay.js didn't help (even after deleting xul.mfi and restarting) - the doc-contextmenu setting appears to change (i.e. the check-box stays checked or unchecked), but the menu is always there and working, no matter what. Better than the opposite.

And there is still no sign of a context menu in the search criteria box.

I've finally twigged what you meant by a lot of menu work with a dropdown. You could make the dropdown sticky, despite word button presses, until specifically clicked off again at the >>. But even without that, if you combine push-back until fully extended, then dropdown, you've got the best of both systems. Easy for me to say ...

[66] Submitted by: John Woods Friday March 7th 2003
Millie: I posted my response in bug 3322 - the volume, though relevant is best done under bugs, which is also for enhancement request etc.

The contextmenu option is working as are the keyboard modifiers, phoenix issue. (addressed in my response)

The criteria box right click (clipboard) popup - also phoenix issue as well. Mozzila 1.3b shows us that much.
No wonder we couln't fix it. :)

[67] Submitted by: Doggy Friday March 7th 2003
Great job guys!!! I'm using build 2002101612 with experimentation build of google bar, works great!

I would really like for an option to choose what google site you search when you hit enter! I use Groups 99% of the time. I would love to type in search box, hit enter, and have it search groups (as opposed to, google web)

[68] Submitted by: Milly Saturday March 8th 2003
Doggy: If that option isn't in your version (I forget if it is - but try Toolbar Options under the main Googlebar button menu, then Keyboard Shortcuts)Doggy: That option may already be in your version (I forget if it is) - try looking at Toolbar Options under the main Googlebar button menu, then Keyboard Shortcuts.

If not, then it's in a newer pre-XPI version. Back up your Chrome folder (at least, even better to copy elsewhere the whole Mozilla or Phoenix folders under Programs and User Settings). Then go here ...
http://mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=3223
And install the first attachment here ...
http://mozdev.org/bugs/showattachment.cgi?attach_id=824
Take care: read the page for possible bugs, it's even more experimental. Works great here though, and does what you want.

[69] Submitted by: John Woods Sunday March 9th 2003
update: if you do check out attachment 824 then as soon as you can, open the googlebar preferences, I usually click and unclick something to hint that something changed, the googlelabs checkbox should be enough. The bug is known, fixed, but not in any easy to install package yet.
Millie: you can try the latest attachment 0.4.6.30 and do an install to mozilla chrome(1st question say ok), do not install to user chrome(2nd question -> cancel), as this only works for the latest mozilla nightly builds. But it's all fixed, and does no harm if you install to the mozilla chrome. 3rd question is a last chance to abort installation, ok to proceed etc... enjoy.
[70] Submitted by: Doggy Monday March 10th 2003
Great job guys!!! I'm using build 2002101612 with experimentation build of google bar, works great!

I would really like for an option to choose what google site you search when you hit enter! I use Groups 99% of the time. I would love to type in search box, hit enter, and have it search groups (as opposed to, google web)

[71] Submitted by: Doggy Monday March 10th 2003
Great job guys!!! I'm using build 2002101612 with experimentation build of google bar, works great!

I would really like for an option to choose what google site you search when you hit enter! I use Groups 99% of the time. I would love to type in search box, hit enter, and have it search groups (as opposed to, google web)

[72] Submitted by: John Woods Tuesday March 11th 2003
New XPI-rimental.xpi is in. Should be a long awaited one for the modern theme googlebar folks. Nice job Bernd!
version 0.4.6.31 It only installs to the program/chrome folder, and no questions. Enjoy!
[73] Submitted by: Milly Thursday March 13th 2003
John: Something odd happened with 0.4.6.31 : All the new stuff works fine (though I misunderstood that the new buttons would be in this release).

But there's a conflict (I guess) with the LittlePhoenix theme...
http://texturizer.net/phoenix/themes.html#LittlePhoenix

It seems to clobber the Back and Forward buttons. This is how it looked with the previous (824) version,. See, immediately to the left of the address box, the Back and Forward buttons and their down-menu arrows are close-coupled :-
http://www.imilly.com/files/orig.jpg

But here they are weirdly spread out. This with 0.4.6.31 over-installed:-
http://www.imilly.com/files/litpx.jpg

And this with a completely clean install of Phoenix 0.5 Milestone plus 0.4.6.31 plus LittlePhoenix :-
http://www.imilly.com/files/litpxclean.jpg

The same buttons with the default Px theme are fine, and I have't tried other themes. I have no idea what's going on.

[74] Submitted by: John Woods Thursday March 13th 2003
Milly: ouch. Just this one theme, or is that the only one you tried? Pop a couple others in. Spacing in our bar is one thing, but the spacing of the back and forward is another.
[75] Submitted by: John Woods Thursday March 13th 2003
Milly,
Ok, read it again... you did say you only tried this theme. I'm sorry I wasn't clear about the new xpi, mostly for modern theme users. The up button menu is there now in the modern theme. The toolbar is also thinner, which alot of modern theme users were complaining about, right though they were. So this is mostly for them.

http://mozdev.org/bugs/showattachment.cgi?attach_id=899

http://mozdev.org/bugs/showattachment.cgi?attach_id=900

The menu popup was missing for when using the modern theme. But classic now has a small spacing problem in the same spot. But if it crosses lines to the back forward buttons in some other other themes, it will need some more work. But we knew that. I'll make a classic version .31 attachment here for the interim, for the classic users.
Rightclick-> save as-> default.css in your
chrome/googlebar/content/skins folder, and restart.

http://mozdev.org/bugs/showattachment.cgi?attach_id=901
I'll be using it myself!

[76] Submitted by: John Woods Thursday March 13th 2003
The above links 899 900 are screenshots of the second missing updir button and thiner toolbar in general.

901 is the older file default.css, to restore classic and others to their former glory after installing 0.4.6.31 and it's bug fixes.
Though your "save link target as" dialog will say showattachment.cgi.html, replace the name offered with default.css and then navigate to your
mozilla.org/mozilla/chrome/googlebar/content/skin
folder and save the attachment. Again this as default.css

[77] Submitted by: Pablo Friday March 14th 2003
The Modern theme Navigation toolbar is too broad in 1.3 when Googlebar is installed. 1.3beta was fine. It
seems to be the size that would be needed if there was text underneath the pictures, which of course there isn't as text isn't shown in Navigator by Modern. The
Appearances preference setting for pictures and/or text makes no difference.
GrayModern is the same by the way, but Classic is fine.
[78] Submitted by: John Woods Friday March 14th 2003
Thanks Pablo, I'll grab a copy later today and see. Can you tell what version googlebar your using. I'll assume you're using the 0.4.6.31 XPI-rimental.xpi
[79] Submitted by: Pablo Friday March 14th 2003
It was the XPI-rimental.xpi which is loaded from the 'Experimental Version' link on googlebar.mozdev.org/installation.html
[80] Submitted by: DeadMan Friday March 14th 2003
I would like the option to use google.co.uk as well as google.com

Thanks

[81] Submitted by: John Woods Saturday March 15th 2003
I'd say somethin happened to the 1.3 final. But whatever the case, it's way too big. As a quickfix, use [75] precedure to restore the default.css file. Then googlebar will be the big one, and without the updir popup.
[82] Submitted by: Will Pittenger Saturday March 15th 2003
I installed googlebar, but it is not showing up on my Mozilla 1.2.1. Instead, I have a thick (75 pixels or so) bar across the bottom of the screen that I can not hid. It is not labelled or listed under View/Show. The only text is red and looks like partial HTML source. It appears below the status bar and the resize area at the bottom right. It is currently displaying: <menuitem id="view_gg_menuitem"--^

If this is a bug in the google bar, let me know and I will post it accordingly. At that time, I could include a screen shot.

[83] Submitted by: John Woods Saturday March 15th 2003
Will: If you installed any other googlebar than the one that we call XPI-rimental.xpi, that is what you'll get.
What OS are you running?
[84] Submitted by: John Woods Saturday March 15th 2003
testfix for the XPI-rimental.xpi 1.3 final
http://mozdev.org/bugs/showattachment.cgi?attach_id=912
this is to replace the default.css in the skin folder.
Works for both Classic, Modern themes. Details on how to do that are in message #75 ie don't save as showattachment.cgi, but as default.css
all lowercase. We would like to know if it works in some earlier versions, as well.

[85] Submitted by: Eric Sunday March 16th 2003
Is there a way to have Google open search results to a new tab by default in Phoenix?

Thanks.

[86] Submitted by: John Woods Sunday March 16th 2003
Eric: If your px can,ie Px 5 milestone yes- recent nightly not for me, here's the way- In the XPI-rimental.xpi:
far left googlebar button-> toolbar options->
in the googlebar options panel...
point the top left box to say NONE
(in the middle it says + Enter for)
point the top right box to newtab
recent nightly didn't even bring up the pref panel at all if I recall.

[87] Submitted by: Alta Monday March 17th 2003
Great work!
http://www.web-imagination.net/alta-buscadores.html

[88] Submitted by: Neil Parks Monday March 17th 2003
When I attempted to install Googlebar XPI-rimental to Phoenix Mar 17 nightly (Win ME), it failed until I created a new Ph profile. And then Googlebar installed itself into the profile sted the pgm directory. Is this a change in Ph, or a change in Googlebar?


[89] Submitted by: John Woods Monday March 17th 2003
Yes, it's a change in the way googlbar installs. If you are given an option to install to your user profile, you can opt to do so, or you can select cancel. (Only for 1.3 final and later builds. Earlier builds install only to the browser's installation folder and it's subfolders.)

If you do select cancel, then you'll be given the choice to install to the browser's program folder, _if_ you have write access to that folder or it's subfolders. Otherwise you'll get a msg telling you that you don't have write access, and you should install to your home profile folder instead.

If your browser doesn't meet the late build criteria, you should then just get a prompt(after a successful write access test for the permissions to do so) to install to the browser installation folder.

This permits you to install to restrictive OS types, without upsetting the browser for everyone else. I have installed it to my linux test machine, a redhat 7.3, as an ordinary user. No other users are affected. Root's browser has no googlebar, and has zero knowledge about the one installed to the user's profile, and doesn't die because it can't find a file in some user's profile.

It went in late last night, and two more updates this morning. If you have any problems, I've made a bug report already:
http://mozdev.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=3415
just fill in the needed info.

[90] Submitted by: Daniel Middleman Tuesday March 18th 2003
Are there any plans to add a Froogle search to the toolbar?
[91] Submitted by: Bill Price Wednesday March 19th 2003
I've lost Mozilla! I installed the 'released' version of the googlebar in 1.3final using 'install'. Worked OK. Closed and restarted Mozilla. got the GG error at the bottom.
Followed (I thought) the uninstall instructions. Now Mozilla won't launch past the splash.

Worse, Mozilla itself won't uninstall, nor will the 1.3 install run to overlay what I've got.

Any ideas on cleaning up ? Almost forgot - this is in Win2Ksp3.



[92] Submitted by: John Woods Wednesday March 19th 2003
Quick,
Install the one named XPI-rimental.xpi, and you should be ok. That is what we called the "locale error." If you still want to clean up... well that isn't as easy as just hiding it: view->show/hide->googlebar. Since you already installed the rc3 i assume, when install asks if you want to install to your profiles folder, select cancel, and then select ok when asked if you want to install to your program installation folder. This will over write the old files, with the current stuff. Anything else, you can post it in bug 3415
[93] Submitted by: Bill Price Wednesday March 19th 2003
Thanks John, but the situation is probably not worth cluttering that bug thread since my problem has evolved. I had tried installing the experimental and that didn't help. That's when I tried to uninstall googlebar. I presume I mangled the chrome.rdf, since I don't really understand it.

Anyhow, Mozilla won't launch now, so I couldn't load an XPI if I wanted to. And the Mozilla Uninstall just flashes up a box but doesn't remove it, and a fresh Mozilla Install package won't run either, probably colliding with the existing one.

So I've dug myself in pretty deep and really need help that's beyond googlebar's purview.

[94] Submitted by: John Woods Wednesday March 19th 2003
Bill,
Rename the program files/mozilla.org to something like m13final. Then find the user settings folder for mozilla. I don't know where 2k stores that, but if you search the whole computer for "xul.mfl" that is where we need to go for the second step. A couple folders above that is a "Mozilla" folder. Rename that as well, and then reinstall. Mind you, this is all just a couple steps to allow you to install back to the default folder, which is mostly a good idea to practice. You will still have your mail, in the preference xul.mfl folder. When your done reinstalling, you can close mozilla, and copy all the files in the old mail folder back to the new one. Don't bother with the .msf files.
That should be enough to get you back up.
[95] Submitted by: Bill Price Wednesday March 19th 2003
Thanks !! Running Install again didn't work, but when I clicked the old shortcut Windows said the program wasn't there but it would look, and it found Mozilla.exe in the renamed directory, and it ran. Weird but wonderful. The terror with Windows is trying to clean stuff that gets put in the registry. I hope Mozilla keeps all its config in data files. I guess I'll steer clear of googlebar for a little while, but the concept is great.
[96] Submitted by: John Woods Wednesday March 19th 2003
Bill,
I just put a fixed one back. It was a ridiculous error, I admit, and no i don't even want to talk about it. Tonight I spent 2 hours going over the new install, only to discover the error in a completely unexpected place. I even re-installed it to my machine just now. To be sure.

And, the horror of a machine that adapts to things it thinks are mistakes! "Must sterilize, Must sterilize!!
You, are the creator Kirk" One of my favorites.

If I were in your shoes... Actually the mozilla folks stress 'not installing a new version into the same folder as a previous version.' Running the way you are now, well it may not last. Now you can probably install again to the 'default' location, and copy the mail to the fresh install mail folder.

And after all that, come back and grab the fixed XPI-rimental.xpi

[97] Submitted by: wangtianyao Thursday March 20th 2003
Hey, I am a chinese , I have translated the googlebar into chinese, and I want to join the googlebar team,if I can, please email me.

wangtianyao@hotmail.com

then I will send the chinese version to you.

[98] Submitted by: buscadores Thursday March 20th 2003
how many languages have Google bar?

http://www.forobuscadores.com

[99] Submitted by: buscadores Thursday March 20th 2003
greath job


http://www.forobuscadores.com

[100] Submitted by: Michael G. Katzmann Saturday March 22nd 2003
Finally !!
The experimental version works like a charm on Linux RH8 xft version of Mozilla 1.3.

However..... it does not set the permissions of the chrome/googlebar files correctly (they are read only root ... the default root umask)
You need to

% chmod -R o+r /usr/lib/mozilla-1.3/chrome/googlebar
to allow non root users to use it. (otherwise mozilla hangs on startup)

[101] Submitted by: AndyB Saturday March 22nd 2003
Daniel, we just added a froogle search to the toolbar a few days ago, along with many others- an XPI is forthcoming once some things get tested a little more. Wasn't that a fast response?

Wangtianyao, we may have broken your chinese translation when we added some new things that also need translating, but a chinese translation would be great- sorry if it takes us a few days, but we'll try to talk more to you once we've got things settled down- sorry for the wait. I think that giving translators CVS access would be a good way to keep their work up to date, though, so I'll put in a good word with Andyed, who manages these things.

Buscadores, as far as how many languages we have right now, we've pretty much been keeping only the english one up to date; the release of our next version is the goal to keep things steady for a little while and allow people to translate without fear of too much being broken (older translations without the newer words included cause mozilla give an "I don't understand this so it's all broken" error in large red letters on the bottom of the screen).